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The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHistory of Electromagnetic Field TensorIn field theory, why are some symmetry transformations applied to the field values while other act on the space that the fields are defined on?Possible confusion, the inertia of something yields a tensor? (trying to understand an example)Confusion about the mathematical nature of Elecromagnetic tensor end the E, B fieldsWhat exactly is the Parity transformation? Parity in spherical coordinatesHow to represent tensors in a base? And some questions about indicesA fundamental question about tensors and vectors4-Vector DefinitionDoubts on covariant and contravariant vectors and on double tensorsZero order Tensor
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What is the difference between zero-rank tensor $x$ (scalar) and 1D vector $[x]$?
As far as I understand tensor is anything which can be measured and different measures can be transformed into eachother. That is, there are different basises for looking at one object.
Is lengh a scalar (zero rank tensor)?
I think it is not.
ex.:
- physical parameter: writing pen's length
- tensor: $l$
- length in inches: $[5.511811023622]$
- length in centimeters: $[14]$
- transformation law: 1cm = 2.54inch
so $l$ is a scalar, but on the other hand it's a tensor of rank 1 since "physical parameter of length is invariant, only it's measures (in different units) are".
The same example can be made with classical example of temperature (which is used as a primer of zero rank tensor most in any book) in C and K units. I'm confused.
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What is the difference between zero-rank tensor $x$ (scalar) and 1D vector $[x]$?
As far as I understand tensor is anything which can be measured and different measures can be transformed into eachother. That is, there are different basises for looking at one object.
Is lengh a scalar (zero rank tensor)?
I think it is not.
ex.:
- physical parameter: writing pen's length
- tensor: $l$
- length in inches: $[5.511811023622]$
- length in centimeters: $[14]$
- transformation law: 1cm = 2.54inch
so $l$ is a scalar, but on the other hand it's a tensor of rank 1 since "physical parameter of length is invariant, only it's measures (in different units) are".
The same example can be made with classical example of temperature (which is used as a primer of zero rank tensor most in any book) in C and K units. I'm confused.
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What is the difference between zero-rank tensor $x$ (scalar) and 1D vector $[x]$?
As far as I understand tensor is anything which can be measured and different measures can be transformed into eachother. That is, there are different basises for looking at one object.
Is lengh a scalar (zero rank tensor)?
I think it is not.
ex.:
- physical parameter: writing pen's length
- tensor: $l$
- length in inches: $[5.511811023622]$
- length in centimeters: $[14]$
- transformation law: 1cm = 2.54inch
so $l$ is a scalar, but on the other hand it's a tensor of rank 1 since "physical parameter of length is invariant, only it's measures (in different units) are".
The same example can be made with classical example of temperature (which is used as a primer of zero rank tensor most in any book) in C and K units. I'm confused.
tensor-calculus
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What is the difference between zero-rank tensor $x$ (scalar) and 1D vector $[x]$?
As far as I understand tensor is anything which can be measured and different measures can be transformed into eachother. That is, there are different basises for looking at one object.
Is lengh a scalar (zero rank tensor)?
I think it is not.
ex.:
- physical parameter: writing pen's length
- tensor: $l$
- length in inches: $[5.511811023622]$
- length in centimeters: $[14]$
- transformation law: 1cm = 2.54inch
so $l$ is a scalar, but on the other hand it's a tensor of rank 1 since "physical parameter of length is invariant, only it's measures (in different units) are".
The same example can be made with classical example of temperature (which is used as a primer of zero rank tensor most in any book) in C and K units. I'm confused.
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“Scalar”, “vector”, and “tensor” have no meaning without specifying the group of transformations. In physics we focus on groups such as rotations, Galilean transformations, Lorentz transformations, Poincaire transformations, and gauge transformations because these are symmetries of various physical theories, built in to reflect symmetries of the natural world.
The length of a writing pen is a scalar under rotations and Galilean transformations. This is a significant physical fact about our world.
But the fact that you can measure its length in various units is not significant, because units are inventions of humans, not of Nature. Physicists never say that the length of a writing pen “transforms” because you can choose to measure it in different length units. Different units such as inches and centimeters for a particular physical quantity like length do not have any physical significance at all.
Going back to your original question, the difference between a scalar and a vector under rotations should now be obvious: a scalar is a single number that stays the same under a rotation, while a vector is a directed quantity that requires three numbers to describe it, and under rotations these numbers transform into linear combinations of each other, as specified by the relevant rotation matrix.
Under any other transformation group, the distinction between scalars and vectors is similar.
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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First of all, I'll constrain the discussion assuming:
1) Finite-dimensional vector spaces
2) Real Vector spaces
3) Talking just about contravariant tensors
4) Physics which use the standard notion of Spacetime
$$* * *$$
To answer your question I need to talk a little bit about Tensors.
I) The tensor object and pure mathematics:
The precise answer to the question "What is a tensor?" is, by far:
A tensor is a object of a vector space called Tensor Product.
In order to this general statement become something that have some value to you, I would like you to think a little bit about vectors and their algebra : the linear algebra.
I.1) What truly is a Vector?
First of all, if you look on linear algebra texts, you'll rapidly realize that the answer to the question "What are vectors after all? Matrices? Arrows? Functions?" is:
A vector is a element of a algebraic structure called vector space.
So after the study of the definition of a vector space you can talk with all rigour in the world that a vector isn't a arrow or a matrix, but a element of a vector space.
I.1.1) Some facts about vectors
Consider then a vector formed by a linear combination of basis vectors:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j tag1$$
This is well-known fact about vectors. So, there's another key point about basis vectors: the vector space is spanned by these basis vectors. You can create a "constrain machinery" to verify if a set of vectors spans a entire vector space (i.e. forms a basis):
A set $mathcalS$ is a basis for a vector space $mathfrakV$ if:
1) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ are linear independent
2) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ spanned the vector space $mathfrakV$, i.e. $mathfrakV equiv span(mathcalS)$
So another point of view to "form" an entire vector space is from basis vectors. The intuitive idea is that, more or less, like if the basis vectors "constructs" (they span) and entire vector space.
Another fact is that you can change the basis $mathbfe_j$ to another set basis of basis $mathbfe'_j$. Well, when you do this the vector components suffer a change too. And then the components transforms like:
$$v'^k = sum^n_j=1M^k_jv^jtag2$$
but, of course, the vector object, remains the same:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j = sum_j = 1^n v'^jmathbfe'_j$$
So, a vector, truly, is a object of a vector space, which have the form of $(1)$ and their components transforms like $(2)$.
I.1.2) The "physicist way" of definition of a Tensor
When you're searching about tensors on physics/engeneering texts you certainly will encounter the following definition of a tensor:
A Tensor is defined as the kind of object which transforms, under a coordinate transformation, like:
$$T'^ij = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l T^kl tag3$$
This definition serves encode the notion that a valid physical law must be independent of coordinate systems (but this isn't the main topic here).
Well, there's some interesting happening here. A vector, is a object which have a precise formulation in terms of a algebraic structure, have a precise form (that of $(1)$, which the basis vectors spans the entire $mathfrakV$) and their components have "transformation behaviour" like $(2)$. If you compare what I exposed about vector and $(3)$, you may reach the conclusion that, concerning about tensors, some information about their nature is missing.
The fact is, the definition $(3)$ isn't a tensor, but the "transformation behaviour" of the components of a tensor $mathbfT$.
I.2) What truly is a Tensor?
Well, you have the transformation of components of a tensor, i.e. $(3)$, well defined. But what about their "space" and "form" (something like $(1)$)?
So, the space is called tensor product of two vector spaces:
$$Votimes W tag4$$
The construction of tensor product is something beyond the scope of this answer [*]. But the mathematical considerations about tensor products are that they generalize the concept of products of vectors (remember that, in linear algebra and analytic geometry you're able to "multiply" vector just using the inner product and vector product), they construct a concept of products of vector spaces (remember that a Direct sum of vector space gives you a notion of Sum of vector spaces), and they construct the precise notion of a tensor. Also, by the technology of the construction of the tensor product we can identify (i.e. stablish a isomorphism between vector spaces) the vector space $Votimes W$ and $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$:
$$Votimes W cong mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK) tag5$$
where $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$ is the dual vector space of all bilinear functionals.
So a tensor have the form:
$$mathbfT = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 T^ij (mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j) tag6$$
And $mathbfT in Votimes W$.
Well, given the transformation rule $(3)$ the space, $(5)$, and form, $(6)$, you can talk precisely about what tensor really is. It's clear that the "object tensor" isn't just a transformation of coordinates. Also, in $(6)$ the tensor basis $(mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j)$ spans $Votimes W$.
By virtue of the general construction of tensor product and the identification given by $(5)$, you'll also encounter the definition of a tensor as a multilinear object which spits scalars:
$$beginarrayrl
mathbfT :V^*times W^* &to mathbbK \
(mathbfv,mathbfw)&mapsto mathbfT(mathbfv,mathbfw)=: v^icdot_mathbbKw^j
endarray$$
Where the operation $cdot_mathbbK$ is the product defined in the field.
With this picture we say that a tensor like $(6)$ is a tensor of rank 2. And a vector a tensor of rank 1. Furthermore a scalar a tensor of rank 0.
II) The tensor object and physics
The well stablish physics, in general, deals with spacetime (like Newtonian physics), and the theory of spacetime is geometry. So, in order to really apply the tensor theory in physics first we have to give the geometry of physics.
The geometry is basically classical Manifold Theory (which, again, is beyond the scope). And by Manifold Theory we can apply tensors on Manifolds introducing the concept of a tangent vector space. In parallel, we can construct another algebraic structure called Fibre Bundle of tangent spaces and then create the precise notion of Vector Field and Tensor Field.
Tensor Fields are the real objects defined in physics books as tensors and we use the word of a tensor and tensor field as synonyms. A tensor field is a section of the tensor bundle and a vector a section of vector bundle. But the intuitive definition (but,by far, general to physics) of a tensor field is then:
$$[mathbfT(x^k)] = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 [T^ij(x^k)] ([mathbfe_i(x^k)]otimes[mathbfe_j(x^k)]) tag5$$
A tensor field is the object which attaches a tensor to every point p of the Manifold.
And then the transformation rule becomes:
$$[T'^ij(x^m)] = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l [T^kl(x^m)] tag7$$
III) What is the difference between zero-rank tensor x (scalar) and 1D vector [x]?
So, in order to talk about lengths we have to realize that we are talking about a scalar field, or a tensor of rank 0. Then the difference between a scalar and a 1D vector (which is a tensor of rank 1) is that one is a scalar field and the other is a vector field. From a "Pure" mathematical point of view, (section I) if this answer) one is a member of the field $mathbbK$ and the other is a member of a vector space.
Also, you're quite right, a scalar (or a scalar field) is a rank 0 tensor or "a object which do not have "matrices of change"; an object which do not suffer a change under a transformation of coordinates (we say that a scalar quantity is a invariant quantity).
$$phi'= phi$$
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“Scalar”, “vector”, and “tensor” have no meaning without specifying the group of transformations. In physics we focus on groups such as rotations, Galilean transformations, Lorentz transformations, Poincaire transformations, and gauge transformations because these are symmetries of various physical theories, built in to reflect symmetries of the natural world.
The length of a writing pen is a scalar under rotations and Galilean transformations. This is a significant physical fact about our world.
But the fact that you can measure its length in various units is not significant, because units are inventions of humans, not of Nature. Physicists never say that the length of a writing pen “transforms” because you can choose to measure it in different length units. Different units such as inches and centimeters for a particular physical quantity like length do not have any physical significance at all.
Going back to your original question, the difference between a scalar and a vector under rotations should now be obvious: a scalar is a single number that stays the same under a rotation, while a vector is a directed quantity that requires three numbers to describe it, and under rotations these numbers transform into linear combinations of each other, as specified by the relevant rotation matrix.
Under any other transformation group, the distinction between scalars and vectors is similar.
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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– coobit
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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“Scalar”, “vector”, and “tensor” have no meaning without specifying the group of transformations. In physics we focus on groups such as rotations, Galilean transformations, Lorentz transformations, Poincaire transformations, and gauge transformations because these are symmetries of various physical theories, built in to reflect symmetries of the natural world.
The length of a writing pen is a scalar under rotations and Galilean transformations. This is a significant physical fact about our world.
But the fact that you can measure its length in various units is not significant, because units are inventions of humans, not of Nature. Physicists never say that the length of a writing pen “transforms” because you can choose to measure it in different length units. Different units such as inches and centimeters for a particular physical quantity like length do not have any physical significance at all.
Going back to your original question, the difference between a scalar and a vector under rotations should now be obvious: a scalar is a single number that stays the same under a rotation, while a vector is a directed quantity that requires three numbers to describe it, and under rotations these numbers transform into linear combinations of each other, as specified by the relevant rotation matrix.
Under any other transformation group, the distinction between scalars and vectors is similar.
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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– coobit
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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“Scalar”, “vector”, and “tensor” have no meaning without specifying the group of transformations. In physics we focus on groups such as rotations, Galilean transformations, Lorentz transformations, Poincaire transformations, and gauge transformations because these are symmetries of various physical theories, built in to reflect symmetries of the natural world.
The length of a writing pen is a scalar under rotations and Galilean transformations. This is a significant physical fact about our world.
But the fact that you can measure its length in various units is not significant, because units are inventions of humans, not of Nature. Physicists never say that the length of a writing pen “transforms” because you can choose to measure it in different length units. Different units such as inches and centimeters for a particular physical quantity like length do not have any physical significance at all.
Going back to your original question, the difference between a scalar and a vector under rotations should now be obvious: a scalar is a single number that stays the same under a rotation, while a vector is a directed quantity that requires three numbers to describe it, and under rotations these numbers transform into linear combinations of each other, as specified by the relevant rotation matrix.
Under any other transformation group, the distinction between scalars and vectors is similar.
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“Scalar”, “vector”, and “tensor” have no meaning without specifying the group of transformations. In physics we focus on groups such as rotations, Galilean transformations, Lorentz transformations, Poincaire transformations, and gauge transformations because these are symmetries of various physical theories, built in to reflect symmetries of the natural world.
The length of a writing pen is a scalar under rotations and Galilean transformations. This is a significant physical fact about our world.
But the fact that you can measure its length in various units is not significant, because units are inventions of humans, not of Nature. Physicists never say that the length of a writing pen “transforms” because you can choose to measure it in different length units. Different units such as inches and centimeters for a particular physical quantity like length do not have any physical significance at all.
Going back to your original question, the difference between a scalar and a vector under rotations should now be obvious: a scalar is a single number that stays the same under a rotation, while a vector is a directed quantity that requires three numbers to describe it, and under rotations these numbers transform into linear combinations of each other, as specified by the relevant rotation matrix.
Under any other transformation group, the distinction between scalars and vectors is similar.
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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– coobit
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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– G. Smith
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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– coobit
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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– G. Smith
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
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– coobit
1 hour ago
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I'm sorry if it might sound dumb, but ... Is 1D vector invariant under rotation? I mean is there rotation in 1D space? If so how it's different from scalar?
$endgroup$
– coobit
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
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– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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@coobit Consider the group of reflections along that one dimension. A vector changes sign, but a scalar doesn't.
$endgroup$
– Chiral Anomaly
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
$endgroup$
– G. Smith
1 hour ago
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Whoops, I completely overlooked the fact that you were asking about 1D. (Since you had referred to scalars as rank 0, I was thinking "rank 1" , not "1D", when you said "vector".) There are no proper rotations in 1D. As @ChiralAnomaly explains, you can consider 1D reflections, and scalar and vectors transform differently under these, even though both are only a single number.
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First of all, I'll constrain the discussion assuming:
1) Finite-dimensional vector spaces
2) Real Vector spaces
3) Talking just about contravariant tensors
4) Physics which use the standard notion of Spacetime
$$* * *$$
To answer your question I need to talk a little bit about Tensors.
I) The tensor object and pure mathematics:
The precise answer to the question "What is a tensor?" is, by far:
A tensor is a object of a vector space called Tensor Product.
In order to this general statement become something that have some value to you, I would like you to think a little bit about vectors and their algebra : the linear algebra.
I.1) What truly is a Vector?
First of all, if you look on linear algebra texts, you'll rapidly realize that the answer to the question "What are vectors after all? Matrices? Arrows? Functions?" is:
A vector is a element of a algebraic structure called vector space.
So after the study of the definition of a vector space you can talk with all rigour in the world that a vector isn't a arrow or a matrix, but a element of a vector space.
I.1.1) Some facts about vectors
Consider then a vector formed by a linear combination of basis vectors:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j tag1$$
This is well-known fact about vectors. So, there's another key point about basis vectors: the vector space is spanned by these basis vectors. You can create a "constrain machinery" to verify if a set of vectors spans a entire vector space (i.e. forms a basis):
A set $mathcalS$ is a basis for a vector space $mathfrakV$ if:
1) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ are linear independent
2) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ spanned the vector space $mathfrakV$, i.e. $mathfrakV equiv span(mathcalS)$
So another point of view to "form" an entire vector space is from basis vectors. The intuitive idea is that, more or less, like if the basis vectors "constructs" (they span) and entire vector space.
Another fact is that you can change the basis $mathbfe_j$ to another set basis of basis $mathbfe'_j$. Well, when you do this the vector components suffer a change too. And then the components transforms like:
$$v'^k = sum^n_j=1M^k_jv^jtag2$$
but, of course, the vector object, remains the same:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j = sum_j = 1^n v'^jmathbfe'_j$$
So, a vector, truly, is a object of a vector space, which have the form of $(1)$ and their components transforms like $(2)$.
I.1.2) The "physicist way" of definition of a Tensor
When you're searching about tensors on physics/engeneering texts you certainly will encounter the following definition of a tensor:
A Tensor is defined as the kind of object which transforms, under a coordinate transformation, like:
$$T'^ij = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l T^kl tag3$$
This definition serves encode the notion that a valid physical law must be independent of coordinate systems (but this isn't the main topic here).
Well, there's some interesting happening here. A vector, is a object which have a precise formulation in terms of a algebraic structure, have a precise form (that of $(1)$, which the basis vectors spans the entire $mathfrakV$) and their components have "transformation behaviour" like $(2)$. If you compare what I exposed about vector and $(3)$, you may reach the conclusion that, concerning about tensors, some information about their nature is missing.
The fact is, the definition $(3)$ isn't a tensor, but the "transformation behaviour" of the components of a tensor $mathbfT$.
I.2) What truly is a Tensor?
Well, you have the transformation of components of a tensor, i.e. $(3)$, well defined. But what about their "space" and "form" (something like $(1)$)?
So, the space is called tensor product of two vector spaces:
$$Votimes W tag4$$
The construction of tensor product is something beyond the scope of this answer [*]. But the mathematical considerations about tensor products are that they generalize the concept of products of vectors (remember that, in linear algebra and analytic geometry you're able to "multiply" vector just using the inner product and vector product), they construct a concept of products of vector spaces (remember that a Direct sum of vector space gives you a notion of Sum of vector spaces), and they construct the precise notion of a tensor. Also, by the technology of the construction of the tensor product we can identify (i.e. stablish a isomorphism between vector spaces) the vector space $Votimes W$ and $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$:
$$Votimes W cong mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK) tag5$$
where $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$ is the dual vector space of all bilinear functionals.
So a tensor have the form:
$$mathbfT = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 T^ij (mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j) tag6$$
And $mathbfT in Votimes W$.
Well, given the transformation rule $(3)$ the space, $(5)$, and form, $(6)$, you can talk precisely about what tensor really is. It's clear that the "object tensor" isn't just a transformation of coordinates. Also, in $(6)$ the tensor basis $(mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j)$ spans $Votimes W$.
By virtue of the general construction of tensor product and the identification given by $(5)$, you'll also encounter the definition of a tensor as a multilinear object which spits scalars:
$$beginarrayrl
mathbfT :V^*times W^* &to mathbbK \
(mathbfv,mathbfw)&mapsto mathbfT(mathbfv,mathbfw)=: v^icdot_mathbbKw^j
endarray$$
Where the operation $cdot_mathbbK$ is the product defined in the field.
With this picture we say that a tensor like $(6)$ is a tensor of rank 2. And a vector a tensor of rank 1. Furthermore a scalar a tensor of rank 0.
II) The tensor object and physics
The well stablish physics, in general, deals with spacetime (like Newtonian physics), and the theory of spacetime is geometry. So, in order to really apply the tensor theory in physics first we have to give the geometry of physics.
The geometry is basically classical Manifold Theory (which, again, is beyond the scope). And by Manifold Theory we can apply tensors on Manifolds introducing the concept of a tangent vector space. In parallel, we can construct another algebraic structure called Fibre Bundle of tangent spaces and then create the precise notion of Vector Field and Tensor Field.
Tensor Fields are the real objects defined in physics books as tensors and we use the word of a tensor and tensor field as synonyms. A tensor field is a section of the tensor bundle and a vector a section of vector bundle. But the intuitive definition (but,by far, general to physics) of a tensor field is then:
$$[mathbfT(x^k)] = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 [T^ij(x^k)] ([mathbfe_i(x^k)]otimes[mathbfe_j(x^k)]) tag5$$
A tensor field is the object which attaches a tensor to every point p of the Manifold.
And then the transformation rule becomes:
$$[T'^ij(x^m)] = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l [T^kl(x^m)] tag7$$
III) What is the difference between zero-rank tensor x (scalar) and 1D vector [x]?
So, in order to talk about lengths we have to realize that we are talking about a scalar field, or a tensor of rank 0. Then the difference between a scalar and a 1D vector (which is a tensor of rank 1) is that one is a scalar field and the other is a vector field. From a "Pure" mathematical point of view, (section I) if this answer) one is a member of the field $mathbbK$ and the other is a member of a vector space.
Also, you're quite right, a scalar (or a scalar field) is a rank 0 tensor or "a object which do not have "matrices of change"; an object which do not suffer a change under a transformation of coordinates (we say that a scalar quantity is a invariant quantity).
$$phi'= phi$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
First of all, I'll constrain the discussion assuming:
1) Finite-dimensional vector spaces
2) Real Vector spaces
3) Talking just about contravariant tensors
4) Physics which use the standard notion of Spacetime
$$* * *$$
To answer your question I need to talk a little bit about Tensors.
I) The tensor object and pure mathematics:
The precise answer to the question "What is a tensor?" is, by far:
A tensor is a object of a vector space called Tensor Product.
In order to this general statement become something that have some value to you, I would like you to think a little bit about vectors and their algebra : the linear algebra.
I.1) What truly is a Vector?
First of all, if you look on linear algebra texts, you'll rapidly realize that the answer to the question "What are vectors after all? Matrices? Arrows? Functions?" is:
A vector is a element of a algebraic structure called vector space.
So after the study of the definition of a vector space you can talk with all rigour in the world that a vector isn't a arrow or a matrix, but a element of a vector space.
I.1.1) Some facts about vectors
Consider then a vector formed by a linear combination of basis vectors:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j tag1$$
This is well-known fact about vectors. So, there's another key point about basis vectors: the vector space is spanned by these basis vectors. You can create a "constrain machinery" to verify if a set of vectors spans a entire vector space (i.e. forms a basis):
A set $mathcalS$ is a basis for a vector space $mathfrakV$ if:
1) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ are linear independent
2) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ spanned the vector space $mathfrakV$, i.e. $mathfrakV equiv span(mathcalS)$
So another point of view to "form" an entire vector space is from basis vectors. The intuitive idea is that, more or less, like if the basis vectors "constructs" (they span) and entire vector space.
Another fact is that you can change the basis $mathbfe_j$ to another set basis of basis $mathbfe'_j$. Well, when you do this the vector components suffer a change too. And then the components transforms like:
$$v'^k = sum^n_j=1M^k_jv^jtag2$$
but, of course, the vector object, remains the same:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j = sum_j = 1^n v'^jmathbfe'_j$$
So, a vector, truly, is a object of a vector space, which have the form of $(1)$ and their components transforms like $(2)$.
I.1.2) The "physicist way" of definition of a Tensor
When you're searching about tensors on physics/engeneering texts you certainly will encounter the following definition of a tensor:
A Tensor is defined as the kind of object which transforms, under a coordinate transformation, like:
$$T'^ij = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l T^kl tag3$$
This definition serves encode the notion that a valid physical law must be independent of coordinate systems (but this isn't the main topic here).
Well, there's some interesting happening here. A vector, is a object which have a precise formulation in terms of a algebraic structure, have a precise form (that of $(1)$, which the basis vectors spans the entire $mathfrakV$) and their components have "transformation behaviour" like $(2)$. If you compare what I exposed about vector and $(3)$, you may reach the conclusion that, concerning about tensors, some information about their nature is missing.
The fact is, the definition $(3)$ isn't a tensor, but the "transformation behaviour" of the components of a tensor $mathbfT$.
I.2) What truly is a Tensor?
Well, you have the transformation of components of a tensor, i.e. $(3)$, well defined. But what about their "space" and "form" (something like $(1)$)?
So, the space is called tensor product of two vector spaces:
$$Votimes W tag4$$
The construction of tensor product is something beyond the scope of this answer [*]. But the mathematical considerations about tensor products are that they generalize the concept of products of vectors (remember that, in linear algebra and analytic geometry you're able to "multiply" vector just using the inner product and vector product), they construct a concept of products of vector spaces (remember that a Direct sum of vector space gives you a notion of Sum of vector spaces), and they construct the precise notion of a tensor. Also, by the technology of the construction of the tensor product we can identify (i.e. stablish a isomorphism between vector spaces) the vector space $Votimes W$ and $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$:
$$Votimes W cong mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK) tag5$$
where $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$ is the dual vector space of all bilinear functionals.
So a tensor have the form:
$$mathbfT = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 T^ij (mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j) tag6$$
And $mathbfT in Votimes W$.
Well, given the transformation rule $(3)$ the space, $(5)$, and form, $(6)$, you can talk precisely about what tensor really is. It's clear that the "object tensor" isn't just a transformation of coordinates. Also, in $(6)$ the tensor basis $(mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j)$ spans $Votimes W$.
By virtue of the general construction of tensor product and the identification given by $(5)$, you'll also encounter the definition of a tensor as a multilinear object which spits scalars:
$$beginarrayrl
mathbfT :V^*times W^* &to mathbbK \
(mathbfv,mathbfw)&mapsto mathbfT(mathbfv,mathbfw)=: v^icdot_mathbbKw^j
endarray$$
Where the operation $cdot_mathbbK$ is the product defined in the field.
With this picture we say that a tensor like $(6)$ is a tensor of rank 2. And a vector a tensor of rank 1. Furthermore a scalar a tensor of rank 0.
II) The tensor object and physics
The well stablish physics, in general, deals with spacetime (like Newtonian physics), and the theory of spacetime is geometry. So, in order to really apply the tensor theory in physics first we have to give the geometry of physics.
The geometry is basically classical Manifold Theory (which, again, is beyond the scope). And by Manifold Theory we can apply tensors on Manifolds introducing the concept of a tangent vector space. In parallel, we can construct another algebraic structure called Fibre Bundle of tangent spaces and then create the precise notion of Vector Field and Tensor Field.
Tensor Fields are the real objects defined in physics books as tensors and we use the word of a tensor and tensor field as synonyms. A tensor field is a section of the tensor bundle and a vector a section of vector bundle. But the intuitive definition (but,by far, general to physics) of a tensor field is then:
$$[mathbfT(x^k)] = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 [T^ij(x^k)] ([mathbfe_i(x^k)]otimes[mathbfe_j(x^k)]) tag5$$
A tensor field is the object which attaches a tensor to every point p of the Manifold.
And then the transformation rule becomes:
$$[T'^ij(x^m)] = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l [T^kl(x^m)] tag7$$
III) What is the difference between zero-rank tensor x (scalar) and 1D vector [x]?
So, in order to talk about lengths we have to realize that we are talking about a scalar field, or a tensor of rank 0. Then the difference between a scalar and a 1D vector (which is a tensor of rank 1) is that one is a scalar field and the other is a vector field. From a "Pure" mathematical point of view, (section I) if this answer) one is a member of the field $mathbbK$ and the other is a member of a vector space.
Also, you're quite right, a scalar (or a scalar field) is a rank 0 tensor or "a object which do not have "matrices of change"; an object which do not suffer a change under a transformation of coordinates (we say that a scalar quantity is a invariant quantity).
$$phi'= phi$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
First of all, I'll constrain the discussion assuming:
1) Finite-dimensional vector spaces
2) Real Vector spaces
3) Talking just about contravariant tensors
4) Physics which use the standard notion of Spacetime
$$* * *$$
To answer your question I need to talk a little bit about Tensors.
I) The tensor object and pure mathematics:
The precise answer to the question "What is a tensor?" is, by far:
A tensor is a object of a vector space called Tensor Product.
In order to this general statement become something that have some value to you, I would like you to think a little bit about vectors and their algebra : the linear algebra.
I.1) What truly is a Vector?
First of all, if you look on linear algebra texts, you'll rapidly realize that the answer to the question "What are vectors after all? Matrices? Arrows? Functions?" is:
A vector is a element of a algebraic structure called vector space.
So after the study of the definition of a vector space you can talk with all rigour in the world that a vector isn't a arrow or a matrix, but a element of a vector space.
I.1.1) Some facts about vectors
Consider then a vector formed by a linear combination of basis vectors:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j tag1$$
This is well-known fact about vectors. So, there's another key point about basis vectors: the vector space is spanned by these basis vectors. You can create a "constrain machinery" to verify if a set of vectors spans a entire vector space (i.e. forms a basis):
A set $mathcalS$ is a basis for a vector space $mathfrakV$ if:
1) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ are linear independent
2) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ spanned the vector space $mathfrakV$, i.e. $mathfrakV equiv span(mathcalS)$
So another point of view to "form" an entire vector space is from basis vectors. The intuitive idea is that, more or less, like if the basis vectors "constructs" (they span) and entire vector space.
Another fact is that you can change the basis $mathbfe_j$ to another set basis of basis $mathbfe'_j$. Well, when you do this the vector components suffer a change too. And then the components transforms like:
$$v'^k = sum^n_j=1M^k_jv^jtag2$$
but, of course, the vector object, remains the same:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j = sum_j = 1^n v'^jmathbfe'_j$$
So, a vector, truly, is a object of a vector space, which have the form of $(1)$ and their components transforms like $(2)$.
I.1.2) The "physicist way" of definition of a Tensor
When you're searching about tensors on physics/engeneering texts you certainly will encounter the following definition of a tensor:
A Tensor is defined as the kind of object which transforms, under a coordinate transformation, like:
$$T'^ij = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l T^kl tag3$$
This definition serves encode the notion that a valid physical law must be independent of coordinate systems (but this isn't the main topic here).
Well, there's some interesting happening here. A vector, is a object which have a precise formulation in terms of a algebraic structure, have a precise form (that of $(1)$, which the basis vectors spans the entire $mathfrakV$) and their components have "transformation behaviour" like $(2)$. If you compare what I exposed about vector and $(3)$, you may reach the conclusion that, concerning about tensors, some information about their nature is missing.
The fact is, the definition $(3)$ isn't a tensor, but the "transformation behaviour" of the components of a tensor $mathbfT$.
I.2) What truly is a Tensor?
Well, you have the transformation of components of a tensor, i.e. $(3)$, well defined. But what about their "space" and "form" (something like $(1)$)?
So, the space is called tensor product of two vector spaces:
$$Votimes W tag4$$
The construction of tensor product is something beyond the scope of this answer [*]. But the mathematical considerations about tensor products are that they generalize the concept of products of vectors (remember that, in linear algebra and analytic geometry you're able to "multiply" vector just using the inner product and vector product), they construct a concept of products of vector spaces (remember that a Direct sum of vector space gives you a notion of Sum of vector spaces), and they construct the precise notion of a tensor. Also, by the technology of the construction of the tensor product we can identify (i.e. stablish a isomorphism between vector spaces) the vector space $Votimes W$ and $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$:
$$Votimes W cong mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK) tag5$$
where $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$ is the dual vector space of all bilinear functionals.
So a tensor have the form:
$$mathbfT = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 T^ij (mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j) tag6$$
And $mathbfT in Votimes W$.
Well, given the transformation rule $(3)$ the space, $(5)$, and form, $(6)$, you can talk precisely about what tensor really is. It's clear that the "object tensor" isn't just a transformation of coordinates. Also, in $(6)$ the tensor basis $(mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j)$ spans $Votimes W$.
By virtue of the general construction of tensor product and the identification given by $(5)$, you'll also encounter the definition of a tensor as a multilinear object which spits scalars:
$$beginarrayrl
mathbfT :V^*times W^* &to mathbbK \
(mathbfv,mathbfw)&mapsto mathbfT(mathbfv,mathbfw)=: v^icdot_mathbbKw^j
endarray$$
Where the operation $cdot_mathbbK$ is the product defined in the field.
With this picture we say that a tensor like $(6)$ is a tensor of rank 2. And a vector a tensor of rank 1. Furthermore a scalar a tensor of rank 0.
II) The tensor object and physics
The well stablish physics, in general, deals with spacetime (like Newtonian physics), and the theory of spacetime is geometry. So, in order to really apply the tensor theory in physics first we have to give the geometry of physics.
The geometry is basically classical Manifold Theory (which, again, is beyond the scope). And by Manifold Theory we can apply tensors on Manifolds introducing the concept of a tangent vector space. In parallel, we can construct another algebraic structure called Fibre Bundle of tangent spaces and then create the precise notion of Vector Field and Tensor Field.
Tensor Fields are the real objects defined in physics books as tensors and we use the word of a tensor and tensor field as synonyms. A tensor field is a section of the tensor bundle and a vector a section of vector bundle. But the intuitive definition (but,by far, general to physics) of a tensor field is then:
$$[mathbfT(x^k)] = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 [T^ij(x^k)] ([mathbfe_i(x^k)]otimes[mathbfe_j(x^k)]) tag5$$
A tensor field is the object which attaches a tensor to every point p of the Manifold.
And then the transformation rule becomes:
$$[T'^ij(x^m)] = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l [T^kl(x^m)] tag7$$
III) What is the difference between zero-rank tensor x (scalar) and 1D vector [x]?
So, in order to talk about lengths we have to realize that we are talking about a scalar field, or a tensor of rank 0. Then the difference between a scalar and a 1D vector (which is a tensor of rank 1) is that one is a scalar field and the other is a vector field. From a "Pure" mathematical point of view, (section I) if this answer) one is a member of the field $mathbbK$ and the other is a member of a vector space.
Also, you're quite right, a scalar (or a scalar field) is a rank 0 tensor or "a object which do not have "matrices of change"; an object which do not suffer a change under a transformation of coordinates (we say that a scalar quantity is a invariant quantity).
$$phi'= phi$$
$endgroup$
First of all, I'll constrain the discussion assuming:
1) Finite-dimensional vector spaces
2) Real Vector spaces
3) Talking just about contravariant tensors
4) Physics which use the standard notion of Spacetime
$$* * *$$
To answer your question I need to talk a little bit about Tensors.
I) The tensor object and pure mathematics:
The precise answer to the question "What is a tensor?" is, by far:
A tensor is a object of a vector space called Tensor Product.
In order to this general statement become something that have some value to you, I would like you to think a little bit about vectors and their algebra : the linear algebra.
I.1) What truly is a Vector?
First of all, if you look on linear algebra texts, you'll rapidly realize that the answer to the question "What are vectors after all? Matrices? Arrows? Functions?" is:
A vector is a element of a algebraic structure called vector space.
So after the study of the definition of a vector space you can talk with all rigour in the world that a vector isn't a arrow or a matrix, but a element of a vector space.
I.1.1) Some facts about vectors
Consider then a vector formed by a linear combination of basis vectors:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j tag1$$
This is well-known fact about vectors. So, there's another key point about basis vectors: the vector space is spanned by these basis vectors. You can create a "constrain machinery" to verify if a set of vectors spans a entire vector space (i.e. forms a basis):
A set $mathcalS$ is a basis for a vector space $mathfrakV$ if:
1) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ are linear independent
2) the vectors of the set $mathcalS$ spanned the vector space $mathfrakV$, i.e. $mathfrakV equiv span(mathcalS)$
So another point of view to "form" an entire vector space is from basis vectors. The intuitive idea is that, more or less, like if the basis vectors "constructs" (they span) and entire vector space.
Another fact is that you can change the basis $mathbfe_j$ to another set basis of basis $mathbfe'_j$. Well, when you do this the vector components suffer a change too. And then the components transforms like:
$$v'^k = sum^n_j=1M^k_jv^jtag2$$
but, of course, the vector object, remains the same:
$$mathbfv = sum_j = 1^n v^jmathbfe_j = sum_j = 1^n v'^jmathbfe'_j$$
So, a vector, truly, is a object of a vector space, which have the form of $(1)$ and their components transforms like $(2)$.
I.1.2) The "physicist way" of definition of a Tensor
When you're searching about tensors on physics/engeneering texts you certainly will encounter the following definition of a tensor:
A Tensor is defined as the kind of object which transforms, under a coordinate transformation, like:
$$T'^ij = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l T^kl tag3$$
This definition serves encode the notion that a valid physical law must be independent of coordinate systems (but this isn't the main topic here).
Well, there's some interesting happening here. A vector, is a object which have a precise formulation in terms of a algebraic structure, have a precise form (that of $(1)$, which the basis vectors spans the entire $mathfrakV$) and their components have "transformation behaviour" like $(2)$. If you compare what I exposed about vector and $(3)$, you may reach the conclusion that, concerning about tensors, some information about their nature is missing.
The fact is, the definition $(3)$ isn't a tensor, but the "transformation behaviour" of the components of a tensor $mathbfT$.
I.2) What truly is a Tensor?
Well, you have the transformation of components of a tensor, i.e. $(3)$, well defined. But what about their "space" and "form" (something like $(1)$)?
So, the space is called tensor product of two vector spaces:
$$Votimes W tag4$$
The construction of tensor product is something beyond the scope of this answer [*]. But the mathematical considerations about tensor products are that they generalize the concept of products of vectors (remember that, in linear algebra and analytic geometry you're able to "multiply" vector just using the inner product and vector product), they construct a concept of products of vector spaces (remember that a Direct sum of vector space gives you a notion of Sum of vector spaces), and they construct the precise notion of a tensor. Also, by the technology of the construction of the tensor product we can identify (i.e. stablish a isomorphism between vector spaces) the vector space $Votimes W$ and $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$:
$$Votimes W cong mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK) tag5$$
where $mathfrakLin^2(V^* times W^*; mathbbK)$ is the dual vector space of all bilinear functionals.
So a tensor have the form:
$$mathbfT = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 T^ij (mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j) tag6$$
And $mathbfT in Votimes W$.
Well, given the transformation rule $(3)$ the space, $(5)$, and form, $(6)$, you can talk precisely about what tensor really is. It's clear that the "object tensor" isn't just a transformation of coordinates. Also, in $(6)$ the tensor basis $(mathbfe_iotimesmathbfe_j)$ spans $Votimes W$.
By virtue of the general construction of tensor product and the identification given by $(5)$, you'll also encounter the definition of a tensor as a multilinear object which spits scalars:
$$beginarrayrl
mathbfT :V^*times W^* &to mathbbK \
(mathbfv,mathbfw)&mapsto mathbfT(mathbfv,mathbfw)=: v^icdot_mathbbKw^j
endarray$$
Where the operation $cdot_mathbbK$ is the product defined in the field.
With this picture we say that a tensor like $(6)$ is a tensor of rank 2. And a vector a tensor of rank 1. Furthermore a scalar a tensor of rank 0.
II) The tensor object and physics
The well stablish physics, in general, deals with spacetime (like Newtonian physics), and the theory of spacetime is geometry. So, in order to really apply the tensor theory in physics first we have to give the geometry of physics.
The geometry is basically classical Manifold Theory (which, again, is beyond the scope). And by Manifold Theory we can apply tensors on Manifolds introducing the concept of a tangent vector space. In parallel, we can construct another algebraic structure called Fibre Bundle of tangent spaces and then create the precise notion of Vector Field and Tensor Field.
Tensor Fields are the real objects defined in physics books as tensors and we use the word of a tensor and tensor field as synonyms. A tensor field is a section of the tensor bundle and a vector a section of vector bundle. But the intuitive definition (but,by far, general to physics) of a tensor field is then:
$$[mathbfT(x^k)] = sum^n_i=1sum^n_j=1 [T^ij(x^k)] ([mathbfe_i(x^k)]otimes[mathbfe_j(x^k)]) tag5$$
A tensor field is the object which attaches a tensor to every point p of the Manifold.
And then the transformation rule becomes:
$$[T'^ij(x^m)] = fracpartial x'^ipartial x^kfracpartial x'^jpartial x^l [T^kl(x^m)] tag7$$
III) What is the difference between zero-rank tensor x (scalar) and 1D vector [x]?
So, in order to talk about lengths we have to realize that we are talking about a scalar field, or a tensor of rank 0. Then the difference between a scalar and a 1D vector (which is a tensor of rank 1) is that one is a scalar field and the other is a vector field. From a "Pure" mathematical point of view, (section I) if this answer) one is a member of the field $mathbbK$ and the other is a member of a vector space.
Also, you're quite right, a scalar (or a scalar field) is a rank 0 tensor or "a object which do not have "matrices of change"; an object which do not suffer a change under a transformation of coordinates (we say that a scalar quantity is a invariant quantity).
$$phi'= phi$$
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Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown