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Product of Mrówka space and one point compactification discrete space.
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)$f$ is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in $X times Y$A question on star countable spaceHow to describe the one point compactification of a spaceIs there a model of set theory in which $2^2^omega_1$ is separable?Stone–Čech remainder of limit ordinalsPunctured space of compact Hausdorff space and one-point compactificationHow to understand case by case decomposition in combinatorics proofProving the one-point compactification of a topological space is a topologyIs there an uncountable subspace $F subseteq omega^omega_1$ which is closed and discrete?One point compactification. (Pushout)Please explain the authors' reasoning in a proof about stationary set
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I was reading an article and I have some troubles to understand it. First, the required definition to understand the problem:
Let $mathcalUsubseteq Asubseteqomega: $. We say that $mathcalU$ is an almost disjoint family if for all $A,BinmathcalU$ such that $Aneq B$ we have that $|Acap B|<aleph_0$
The proof that I was reading is the next:

The key part of the proof is the fact that $A$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. But I can't see that $A$ is closed only by the construction of the topology of $Xtimes Y$. In fact, I think that we need a lot of cases to prove that fact because if we take $(a,b)in (Xtimes Y)setminus A$ then
$b=d^*$.
$a=r_alpha$ and $b=d_beta$ with $alphaneqbeta$. Here probably we have two subcases because $alpha<beta$ or $beta<alpha$.
$ainomega$ and $b=d_alpha$ for some $alpha<mathfrakc$
$ainomega$ and $b=d^*$.
Are they all cases? Or am I forgetting some? I don't know if my thoughts are correct. Can you help me to complete the proof? I really appreciate any help you can provide me.
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I was reading an article and I have some troubles to understand it. First, the required definition to understand the problem:
Let $mathcalUsubseteq Asubseteqomega: $. We say that $mathcalU$ is an almost disjoint family if for all $A,BinmathcalU$ such that $Aneq B$ we have that $|Acap B|<aleph_0$
The proof that I was reading is the next:

The key part of the proof is the fact that $A$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. But I can't see that $A$ is closed only by the construction of the topology of $Xtimes Y$. In fact, I think that we need a lot of cases to prove that fact because if we take $(a,b)in (Xtimes Y)setminus A$ then
$b=d^*$.
$a=r_alpha$ and $b=d_beta$ with $alphaneqbeta$. Here probably we have two subcases because $alpha<beta$ or $beta<alpha$.
$ainomega$ and $b=d_alpha$ for some $alpha<mathfrakc$
$ainomega$ and $b=d^*$.
Are they all cases? Or am I forgetting some? I don't know if my thoughts are correct. Can you help me to complete the proof? I really appreciate any help you can provide me.
general-topology proof-explanation
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Note that lemma 2.1 is false, see my answer.
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I was reading an article and I have some troubles to understand it. First, the required definition to understand the problem:
Let $mathcalUsubseteq Asubseteqomega: $. We say that $mathcalU$ is an almost disjoint family if for all $A,BinmathcalU$ such that $Aneq B$ we have that $|Acap B|<aleph_0$
The proof that I was reading is the next:

The key part of the proof is the fact that $A$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. But I can't see that $A$ is closed only by the construction of the topology of $Xtimes Y$. In fact, I think that we need a lot of cases to prove that fact because if we take $(a,b)in (Xtimes Y)setminus A$ then
$b=d^*$.
$a=r_alpha$ and $b=d_beta$ with $alphaneqbeta$. Here probably we have two subcases because $alpha<beta$ or $beta<alpha$.
$ainomega$ and $b=d_alpha$ for some $alpha<mathfrakc$
$ainomega$ and $b=d^*$.
Are they all cases? Or am I forgetting some? I don't know if my thoughts are correct. Can you help me to complete the proof? I really appreciate any help you can provide me.
general-topology proof-explanation
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I was reading an article and I have some troubles to understand it. First, the required definition to understand the problem:
Let $mathcalUsubseteq Asubseteqomega: $. We say that $mathcalU$ is an almost disjoint family if for all $A,BinmathcalU$ such that $Aneq B$ we have that $|Acap B|<aleph_0$
The proof that I was reading is the next:

The key part of the proof is the fact that $A$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. But I can't see that $A$ is closed only by the construction of the topology of $Xtimes Y$. In fact, I think that we need a lot of cases to prove that fact because if we take $(a,b)in (Xtimes Y)setminus A$ then
$b=d^*$.
$a=r_alpha$ and $b=d_beta$ with $alphaneqbeta$. Here probably we have two subcases because $alpha<beta$ or $beta<alpha$.
$ainomega$ and $b=d_alpha$ for some $alpha<mathfrakc$
$ainomega$ and $b=d^*$.
Are they all cases? Or am I forgetting some? I don't know if my thoughts are correct. Can you help me to complete the proof? I really appreciate any help you can provide me.
general-topology proof-explanation
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Note that lemma 2.1 is false, see my answer.
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Note that lemma 2.1 is false, see my answer.
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Note that lemma 2.1 is false, see my answer.
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Let $f:mathcal Rlongrightarrow Y$ be $f(r_alpha)=d_alpha$. $f$ is clearly continuous because $mathcal R$, as a subspace of $X$, is discrete. Now, we claim that the graph of $f=langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $mathcal Rtimes Y$, which actully follows from this elementary theorem f is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in 𝑋×𝑌 (here we only need the Hausdorffness of $Y$). As $mathcal R$ is closed in $X$, $mathcal R times Y$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. Hence $langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $Xtimes Y$.
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Suppose that $(x,y) notin A$. If $y neq d^ast$, then $y=d_alpha$ for some $alpha < mathfrakc$ while then $x neq r_alpha$. But then taking the neighbourhoods $U_x=r_beta cup r_beta$ (if $x=r_beta$ for some $betaneq alpha$) or $U_x =x$ (if $x in omega$) and $V_y=d_alpha$ we have that $U_x times V_y$ also misses $A$, as $V_y$ only contains $y$ so the only way it could intersect $A$ is when $r_alpha in U_x$ which is clearly not the case by construction.
So the case that $y neq d^ast$ has been covered. So suppose $y=d^ast$ and we need a neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that misses $A$. If $x in omega$ take $x times Y$ which clearly works as $A$ has no points with first coordinate in $omega$, and if $x=r_beta$ for some $beta$, then it's easy to see that $(r_betacup r_beta) times (Y setminus d_beta )$ is basic open and misses $A$ (as the neighbourhood of $r_beta$ contains no other $r_alpha$ by definition, just $r_beta$ and some isolated points in $omega$).
Just a word of warning:
Lemma 2.1 is false, and $X$ itself is a counterexample: $mathcalR$ is closed and uncountable and discrete so not weakly Lindelöf. So not every closed subset of $X$ is weakly Lindelöf, so $X$ is separable ($omega$ is dense) but not quasi-Lindelöf.
True is: a separable space is weakly Lindelöf. This is rather trivial to prove. The reference is not from a "proper" journal, so be warned...
Theorem 3.37 in the referenced paper is also false (ccc implies quasi-Lindelöf) by the same counterexample. Don't believe everything in every random journal... I think this is the source of this paper's lemma 2.1 as I did not find a theorem on separable spaces (but of course separable implies ccc). Note that a consisent version of $X$ with $X$ normal does exist (under MA) and then this also contradicts proposition 3.36. So that's false too, in general.
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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Let $f:mathcal Rlongrightarrow Y$ be $f(r_alpha)=d_alpha$. $f$ is clearly continuous because $mathcal R$, as a subspace of $X$, is discrete. Now, we claim that the graph of $f=langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $mathcal Rtimes Y$, which actully follows from this elementary theorem f is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in 𝑋×𝑌 (here we only need the Hausdorffness of $Y$). As $mathcal R$ is closed in $X$, $mathcal R times Y$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. Hence $langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $Xtimes Y$.
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Let $f:mathcal Rlongrightarrow Y$ be $f(r_alpha)=d_alpha$. $f$ is clearly continuous because $mathcal R$, as a subspace of $X$, is discrete. Now, we claim that the graph of $f=langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $mathcal Rtimes Y$, which actully follows from this elementary theorem f is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in 𝑋×𝑌 (here we only need the Hausdorffness of $Y$). As $mathcal R$ is closed in $X$, $mathcal R times Y$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. Hence $langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $Xtimes Y$.
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Let $f:mathcal Rlongrightarrow Y$ be $f(r_alpha)=d_alpha$. $f$ is clearly continuous because $mathcal R$, as a subspace of $X$, is discrete. Now, we claim that the graph of $f=langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $mathcal Rtimes Y$, which actully follows from this elementary theorem f is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in 𝑋×𝑌 (here we only need the Hausdorffness of $Y$). As $mathcal R$ is closed in $X$, $mathcal R times Y$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. Hence $langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $Xtimes Y$.
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Let $f:mathcal Rlongrightarrow Y$ be $f(r_alpha)=d_alpha$. $f$ is clearly continuous because $mathcal R$, as a subspace of $X$, is discrete. Now, we claim that the graph of $f=langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $mathcal Rtimes Y$, which actully follows from this elementary theorem f is Continuous if and only if its Graph is Closed in 𝑋×𝑌 (here we only need the Hausdorffness of $Y$). As $mathcal R$ is closed in $X$, $mathcal R times Y$ is a closed subset of $Xtimes Y$. Hence $langle r_alpha,d_alpharangle mid alpha<mathfrakc$ is closed in $Xtimes Y$.
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Suppose that $(x,y) notin A$. If $y neq d^ast$, then $y=d_alpha$ for some $alpha < mathfrakc$ while then $x neq r_alpha$. But then taking the neighbourhoods $U_x=r_beta cup r_beta$ (if $x=r_beta$ for some $betaneq alpha$) or $U_x =x$ (if $x in omega$) and $V_y=d_alpha$ we have that $U_x times V_y$ also misses $A$, as $V_y$ only contains $y$ so the only way it could intersect $A$ is when $r_alpha in U_x$ which is clearly not the case by construction.
So the case that $y neq d^ast$ has been covered. So suppose $y=d^ast$ and we need a neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that misses $A$. If $x in omega$ take $x times Y$ which clearly works as $A$ has no points with first coordinate in $omega$, and if $x=r_beta$ for some $beta$, then it's easy to see that $(r_betacup r_beta) times (Y setminus d_beta )$ is basic open and misses $A$ (as the neighbourhood of $r_beta$ contains no other $r_alpha$ by definition, just $r_beta$ and some isolated points in $omega$).
Just a word of warning:
Lemma 2.1 is false, and $X$ itself is a counterexample: $mathcalR$ is closed and uncountable and discrete so not weakly Lindelöf. So not every closed subset of $X$ is weakly Lindelöf, so $X$ is separable ($omega$ is dense) but not quasi-Lindelöf.
True is: a separable space is weakly Lindelöf. This is rather trivial to prove. The reference is not from a "proper" journal, so be warned...
Theorem 3.37 in the referenced paper is also false (ccc implies quasi-Lindelöf) by the same counterexample. Don't believe everything in every random journal... I think this is the source of this paper's lemma 2.1 as I did not find a theorem on separable spaces (but of course separable implies ccc). Note that a consisent version of $X$ with $X$ normal does exist (under MA) and then this also contradicts proposition 3.36. So that's false too, in general.
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
1 hour ago
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
add a comment |
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Suppose that $(x,y) notin A$. If $y neq d^ast$, then $y=d_alpha$ for some $alpha < mathfrakc$ while then $x neq r_alpha$. But then taking the neighbourhoods $U_x=r_beta cup r_beta$ (if $x=r_beta$ for some $betaneq alpha$) or $U_x =x$ (if $x in omega$) and $V_y=d_alpha$ we have that $U_x times V_y$ also misses $A$, as $V_y$ only contains $y$ so the only way it could intersect $A$ is when $r_alpha in U_x$ which is clearly not the case by construction.
So the case that $y neq d^ast$ has been covered. So suppose $y=d^ast$ and we need a neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that misses $A$. If $x in omega$ take $x times Y$ which clearly works as $A$ has no points with first coordinate in $omega$, and if $x=r_beta$ for some $beta$, then it's easy to see that $(r_betacup r_beta) times (Y setminus d_beta )$ is basic open and misses $A$ (as the neighbourhood of $r_beta$ contains no other $r_alpha$ by definition, just $r_beta$ and some isolated points in $omega$).
Just a word of warning:
Lemma 2.1 is false, and $X$ itself is a counterexample: $mathcalR$ is closed and uncountable and discrete so not weakly Lindelöf. So not every closed subset of $X$ is weakly Lindelöf, so $X$ is separable ($omega$ is dense) but not quasi-Lindelöf.
True is: a separable space is weakly Lindelöf. This is rather trivial to prove. The reference is not from a "proper" journal, so be warned...
Theorem 3.37 in the referenced paper is also false (ccc implies quasi-Lindelöf) by the same counterexample. Don't believe everything in every random journal... I think this is the source of this paper's lemma 2.1 as I did not find a theorem on separable spaces (but of course separable implies ccc). Note that a consisent version of $X$ with $X$ normal does exist (under MA) and then this also contradicts proposition 3.36. So that's false too, in general.
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
1 hour ago
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Suppose that $(x,y) notin A$. If $y neq d^ast$, then $y=d_alpha$ for some $alpha < mathfrakc$ while then $x neq r_alpha$. But then taking the neighbourhoods $U_x=r_beta cup r_beta$ (if $x=r_beta$ for some $betaneq alpha$) or $U_x =x$ (if $x in omega$) and $V_y=d_alpha$ we have that $U_x times V_y$ also misses $A$, as $V_y$ only contains $y$ so the only way it could intersect $A$ is when $r_alpha in U_x$ which is clearly not the case by construction.
So the case that $y neq d^ast$ has been covered. So suppose $y=d^ast$ and we need a neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that misses $A$. If $x in omega$ take $x times Y$ which clearly works as $A$ has no points with first coordinate in $omega$, and if $x=r_beta$ for some $beta$, then it's easy to see that $(r_betacup r_beta) times (Y setminus d_beta )$ is basic open and misses $A$ (as the neighbourhood of $r_beta$ contains no other $r_alpha$ by definition, just $r_beta$ and some isolated points in $omega$).
Just a word of warning:
Lemma 2.1 is false, and $X$ itself is a counterexample: $mathcalR$ is closed and uncountable and discrete so not weakly Lindelöf. So not every closed subset of $X$ is weakly Lindelöf, so $X$ is separable ($omega$ is dense) but not quasi-Lindelöf.
True is: a separable space is weakly Lindelöf. This is rather trivial to prove. The reference is not from a "proper" journal, so be warned...
Theorem 3.37 in the referenced paper is also false (ccc implies quasi-Lindelöf) by the same counterexample. Don't believe everything in every random journal... I think this is the source of this paper's lemma 2.1 as I did not find a theorem on separable spaces (but of course separable implies ccc). Note that a consisent version of $X$ with $X$ normal does exist (under MA) and then this also contradicts proposition 3.36. So that's false too, in general.
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Suppose that $(x,y) notin A$. If $y neq d^ast$, then $y=d_alpha$ for some $alpha < mathfrakc$ while then $x neq r_alpha$. But then taking the neighbourhoods $U_x=r_beta cup r_beta$ (if $x=r_beta$ for some $betaneq alpha$) or $U_x =x$ (if $x in omega$) and $V_y=d_alpha$ we have that $U_x times V_y$ also misses $A$, as $V_y$ only contains $y$ so the only way it could intersect $A$ is when $r_alpha in U_x$ which is clearly not the case by construction.
So the case that $y neq d^ast$ has been covered. So suppose $y=d^ast$ and we need a neighbourhood of $(x,y)$ that misses $A$. If $x in omega$ take $x times Y$ which clearly works as $A$ has no points with first coordinate in $omega$, and if $x=r_beta$ for some $beta$, then it's easy to see that $(r_betacup r_beta) times (Y setminus d_beta )$ is basic open and misses $A$ (as the neighbourhood of $r_beta$ contains no other $r_alpha$ by definition, just $r_beta$ and some isolated points in $omega$).
Just a word of warning:
Lemma 2.1 is false, and $X$ itself is a counterexample: $mathcalR$ is closed and uncountable and discrete so not weakly Lindelöf. So not every closed subset of $X$ is weakly Lindelöf, so $X$ is separable ($omega$ is dense) but not quasi-Lindelöf.
True is: a separable space is weakly Lindelöf. This is rather trivial to prove. The reference is not from a "proper" journal, so be warned...
Theorem 3.37 in the referenced paper is also false (ccc implies quasi-Lindelöf) by the same counterexample. Don't believe everything in every random journal... I think this is the source of this paper's lemma 2.1 as I did not find a theorem on separable spaces (but of course separable implies ccc). Note that a consisent version of $X$ with $X$ normal does exist (under MA) and then this also contradicts proposition 3.36. So that's false too, in general.
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
1 hour ago
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
1 hour ago
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+1 for the warning!
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– YuiTo Cheng
1 hour ago
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@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
$begingroup$
@YuiToCheng Your proof of closedness was simpler (but I wanted to show the claim by the most elementary means),+1 for noting it anyway. These papers the OP quotes (or indirectly quotes) are full of errors...
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– Henno Brandsma
48 mins ago
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Note that lemma 2.1 is false, see my answer.
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– Henno Brandsma
47 mins ago